Exploring Thelema and Chaos Magick, with Pete and Sef (Part 4)

Reply to Sef.

Thank you for your exposition of ‘True Will’ Sef. The stoical or detached attitude to duty advocated by the Hindus seems admirable in some ways but it has also propped up the caste system for millennia. If your birth dictates that you will shovel shit for an entire lifetime and so will your children, then just get on with it. If tradition dictates that you must throw yourself on your husband’s funeral pyre then just get on with it, you will reincarnate in a better position as a result.

‘Pure Will’ ‘unassuaged of purpose’ sounds like it can mean anything, everything, or nothing. I consider that people consist of the totality of what they do (which of course includes what they think). The idea of their having some sort of ‘being’ separate from their doing, or for that matter some sort of ‘will’ other than their total doing seems superfluous to me. I can however appreciate the idea that doing some things may tend to give better results than doing others, and to this extent I can understand ‘Do What thou Wilt’ as an exhortation to do the very best of what you can possibly do and love to do, as so many people settle for mediocrity and lousy compromises.

My dear old friend Gerald, the alcoholic Thelemite, really wanted to write and he could write brilliantly at times about things he loved. He wrote a book on boxing described as world class by those who like that sort of thing. I think perhaps that his attachment to Thelemic orthodoxy inhibited him from writing more widely about magic but he did do a rather good little book on the tarot. Tragically he decided that he would try and write trashy thriller novels full of gore and violence and sex. He always admitted the stuff was trash but he said he needed the money. I felt that he developed a rather excessive attachment to the personality cult of Crowley and to that of Hemmingway as well. After a number of years sat at a manual typewriter with a bottle of gin and a carton of senior service to dull the pain of prostituting his art he ended up wrecked (and still more or less penniless). I think he just made some bad career decisions and compounded his mistakes by believing the bad compromises he made served a ‘higher’ purpose.

And now to your question:

‘What misconceptions about Chaos Magick, and yourself perhaps, would you like to set straight once and for all?’

Basically Chaos Magic says that nothing may have absolute truth and that anything may remain possible. Thus by relaxing certain constraints and beliefs and trying others we may achieve surprising results. I have suggested experimenting with such ideas and beliefs as: – arbitrary symbolism to taste, synthetic barbaric languages, relaxing strict material causality, the assumption of indeterminacy, multiple selves, multidimensional time, synthetic servitors, retroactive enchantment, manufactured gods, heretical cosmology, and so on, to see if we can make them give useful results.

Chaos Magic offers toolboxes of ideas and techniques rather than cannons of dogma and occult mysteries.  Some Chaoists do write in an authoritative style when they think they have come up with a more useful idea or technique than has existed before, but usually in the spirit of trying to provoke or challenge the reader, not to solicit blind faith, although it can sometimes sound otherwise.

Some wannabe chaotes seem to think Chaos Magicians worship Chaos. We don’t. We acknowledge and respect its creative and destructive power and we try to use it, and to nudge it, and to make the stochastic best of what it throws up.

Chaos Magic has its own versions of the romance of sorcery, often it presents itself as an esoteric science with a somewhat cavalier and jocular attitude to traditional notions of sanctity, and spirituality and it has an emphasis on results magic. This can lead to accusations of flippancy, materialism, and nihilism or black magic. However I would assert that you can only find or choose your own meaningful path in magic by actually doing it to find it, without reference to other people’s definitions of what they think ‘spiritual’ means.

Some people have mistaken experimental beliefs for truth. For example the idea of reincarnation contradicts the idea that we have no ‘real’ immortal self or soul; however both ideas have their uses if applied separately, as do the wave and particle descriptions of quanta.

Chaos Magic thus thrives on experimenting with misconceptions and alternative conceptions and I wouldn’t try to set any of them straight, don’t believe me, argue with me, find your own chaos magic, I act as agent provocateur, heretic, and devil’s advocate.

As to misconceptions about myself(s), I don’t actually have horns and a forked tail, this sometimes disappoints.

Some left wing people think I have right wing opinions, and vice-versa. I’ve often faced the question ‘how can you sound so conservative about this matter but so liberal about that matter’. (Or vice-versa). Well I have opinions across the whole spectrum about various matters; I don’t feel the need to conform to other people’s expectations of consistency or groupthink mentality.

"I got a left wing, I got a right wing. I'm an angel, man." -- Zodiac Mindwarp

“I got a left wing, I got a right wing. I’m an angel, man.” — Zodiac Mindwarp

Plus I relish a certain amount of creative confusion, disinformation, and protective camouflage. No pictures of me appear on my books or the internet; half the people who know me have no idea of my metaphysical interests. My usual appearance of old hippy surfer or biker does not match my daytime profession. I tend to regard suits as formal dress for telling lies in. I tend to catch the bus or walk or cadge lifts because I find it more interesting than using a chauffeured limo, plus it has a smaller carbon footprint.

I would not describe myself as an unqualified libertarian. As Douglas Bader quipped “Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools.” Unfortunately not everyone can handle the freedom to question all the rules and assumptions. I would not advocate Chaos Magic for most of the world’s inhabitants.  Often the introduction of some surprise variables, or randomness, or an antinomian perspective, or some Chaos to a system requires careful planning and premeditation or mere Entropy (destructive chaos) rather than Apophenia and Obdaxazongaga (creative chaos) may result.

So now to my next question to you Sef: The HGA.

I’ve always wondered if seeking The Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel seems like a good idea. The procedures for discovering it seem functionally indistinguishable from recipes for creating an obsession. It looks like a suspiciously monotheistic belief and thus a self-contradictory and limiting obsession with an ideal that has become effectively unattainable. You said that even with Crowley you follow the message not the man.  Does the OTO acknowledge anyone as having ever attained it?

All the best, Pete.

9 thoughts on “Exploring Thelema and Chaos Magick, with Pete and Sef (Part 4)

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    very well said…..

  2. Sef Salem says:

    Thank you Pete, especially for sharing your memories of Gerald. I think it’s important for us to get to know who the person was in all flavours, to prevent future cults-of-personality by accident. I’m not a Crowleyite by any means. Expect my response in due course.
    All the best,

  3. Nando says:

    On a side note, Phillip K Dick, to my knowledge not a Thelemite, did connect with Valis. His personal HGA if you want to use that model.

    To me, it has felt as if the HGA concept was a mental construct of all the occult knowledge a magician currently mulls on. I prefer having several HGA like thought entities to consult and consort with, depending on my needs at the time.

  4. Lamogue says:

    What has the HGA got to do with OTO? Seeking Knowledge and Conversation of the HGA is the work of the Aspirant of A.A. The concept of the HGA is absent entirely from the OTO system.

    • Kenneth Blight says:

      Indeed Lamogue, what?. What do hennaed feet or Satanic American arts projects have to do with the OTO?. Nothing I’m afraid, from slutpotts to cronythiebes via snide hill, nothing. The HGA does figure prominently in Thelemic narrative however and and I for one look forward to Sefs reply.

  5. Kenneth Blight says:

    Thank you Pete, I got all that excepting “relaxing strict material causality” but it don’t matter ’cause what I get is enough for now, somebody said recently that the more you opened your mouth the more evident it was how little you knew(or words to that effect) well, I hold the contrary view. I only wish you spoke more. Normally at this point of the debate I nip to the bar for a round and some crisps and Sef your right I am enjoying this enormously.
    Obdaxazomgaga? That’s a first for me but I’ll take your word for it as it sounds so delightfully preposterous. I suppose Chaos Magick is Just Magick from a Post-Modernist perspective and as for the Mighty Zod, so now we know and that argument can be put to bed,you really are a Psychotronic Love Commando.

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